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Poster: cosmicharlie Date: Nov 17, 2006 10:52am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: History of the World

hear-hear-dire, I'll drink to that!

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Poster: high flow Date: Nov 17, 2006 10:57am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: History of the World

Religion happens inside an individual. That is why 'organized religion' doesn't work. It's a farce.

I would agree that organized religion feeds on the lost and fearful among us.

Develope your moral strength and stand on your own! Family is a great religion and a super, earthly reason to be 'good'.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Nov 17, 2006 11:14am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: History of the World

but without the original teachings of and "organized religioin", i'm not convinced the individual would be able to generate a moral compass from a blank slate. humans must be taught certain things from somewhere.

(this is getting way too deep)
like i should talk - i can't honestly say i go to church either.

This post was modified by direwolf0701 on 2006-11-17 19:14:11

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Nov 17, 2006 12:19pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: History of the World

I disagree with you Dire. Not completely but somewhat. For instance personality I know for a FACT starts in the womb and seems to be at LEAST as much formed from birth than from environment. I used to think environment more but then seeing my polar opposite kids raised in the same environment makes me beleive otherwise. Also, I believe humans are inherintly more good than bad.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Nov 17, 2006 12:33pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: History of the World

hmmmmm - i certainly agree with your assessment of prebirth personality. my two girls are quite different as well.
as far as humans being more inherently good than bad, im not as sure. i think humans will try and get away with whatever they can and the only thing stopping us is either fear of punishment (religion based or law based) or the morals instilled upon us by our parents/environment (which includes some type of religion usually - whether tribal or organized). way too deep of a conversation to play with in a forum i suppose and no proveable answer (that i know of anyways)

then again - as highflow and cosmic pointed out, direwolves have very small brains, so i am automatically most likely wrong.

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Poster: high flow Date: Nov 17, 2006 12:46pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: History of the World

Direwolf IS god. I'll bet if we did a 'Favorite Poster' poll, dire would be an overwhelming favorite. I love all you guys and lehighvet(now defunct), max chorak and others have had some supreme topics lately, which have really kept this forum jumping. BUT, Dire tends to be the glue. Everybody loves to chat-up the Wolf. It's like the pretty girl in 4th grade. You tease her, because you like her. Dire, you are my 4th grade crush...ew!

How's that? Feeling better? The warm glow?

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Nov 17, 2006 12:59pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: History of the World

you're killing me man!! lmao!!

abusive humor rules :)

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Nov 17, 2006 1:02pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: History of the World

Nah, I still think we're more good than bad. Think about how much damage a person COULD do. Picture Grand Theft auto for instance. Clubbing old ladies over the head just so you can. It isn't just fear that keeps people with a sense of right and wrong. I think MOST people have sympathy and empathy and it's not coming just from Church. I agree that having decent parents is a major factor but it's not the only one.

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Poster: high flow Date: Nov 17, 2006 1:06pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: History of the World

It's science. Frontal lobe...

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Nov 17, 2006 1:07pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: History of the World

Although I am not entirely convinced, i certainly cannot sit here and say that you are definitely wrong. In fact, I would suppose that more people would agree with you than with me in this discussion. I suppose it is a sad statement upon myself that I do not have more faith in human nature. Not sure why that is. Maybe I should be searching more inward than philosphizing outward when contemplating these interesting theories of human nature.

Either that or I should have a beer!!!

Better yet, this would be a great conversation at a table with a twelve pack and some good dead tunes dont ya think :)

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Nov 17, 2006 1:25pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: History of the World

I don't know. Many people think we're inherintly evil, maybe we are. Of course I'm way out on a limb in that I don't even believe good and evil exist, just our perceptions of what good and evil are.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Nov 17, 2006 1:38pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: History of the World

well, certainly different cultures, tribes, etc have differing ideologies on what is considered good and what is considered evil. So i would say you are right. Pure good and Pure evil really dont exist - it IS our perception of them that actually defines them (atleast on a cultural level, if not an individual).

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Poster: cosmicharlie Date: Nov 17, 2006 4:26pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: History of the World

it's easy, I'm good and everything else is evil ;)


This post was modified by cosmicharlie on 2006-11-18 00:26:45

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Poster: cosmicharlie Date: Nov 17, 2006 12:40pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: History of the World

ouch! my apologies dire, my stupid attempts at humour...
think I'll crawl back into my hole

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Nov 17, 2006 12:55pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: History of the World

ooops - i hope that apology is of the sarcastic variety.

you know i love abusive humor man :)
I laughed over that one and highflows response for quite a while - it great!!! i love that shit :)

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Poster: high flow Date: Nov 17, 2006 11:35am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: History of the World - Hey Johnny, please read

Yeah, I'm not sure why I'm involved here either. It's such a personal subject and obviously really difficult to describe how I feel about religion or even what religion is.

I guess I TRY and be a good monkey every day. But I wonder why I feel the NEED to be good, and why so many fucked-up individuals do not feel that need...

P.S. - Johnny, I hope this carifies my position. I do not thing Atheists or Agnostics or people in general are bad. I think we are all challenged in that area of life. I'm just curious how folks w/ differing beliefs deal w/ that challenge. Never meant any offense, brother.;)

This post was modified by high flow on 2006-11-17 19:35:53

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Nov 17, 2006 12:26pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: History of the World - Hey Johnny, please read

Of course no offense. We're just talking. I enjoy talking about things of a deep and controversial nature just as I enjoy talking about things of the opposite inane immature nature : )

Have a great trip!

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Poster: high flow Date: Nov 17, 2006 12:35pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: History of the World - Hey Johnny, please read

Yeah. I thought so, but just wanted to be sure. Lots of good friends here and I'd like to keep it that way. Religion is a dagerous topic. More dangerous than politics...no?

Take the 'o' out of god and you get GD. That's our religion 'round here.

The above statement will be my boiler-plate response to future questions regarding religion...!

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Nov 17, 2006 12:53pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: History of the World - Hey Johnny, please read

"Lots of good friends here and I'd like to keep it that way"

yeah...whatever dude!! I hope Mickey Mouse nibbles on your butt while you are sleeping, so your bumbum hurts while you go on Mr. Toad's Wild Ride!!

So there :-P

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Poster: high flow Date: Nov 17, 2006 12:57pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: History of the World - Hey Johnny, please read

Man, I hope you were smiling when you wrote that about my butt. I just got done kissing yours!!!LOL!!!

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Nov 17, 2006 1:15pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: History of the World - Hey Johnny, please read

dude - you know i ALWAYS smile when i write and think about your butt (sweetie)!!

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Nov 17, 2006 1:22pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: History of the World - Hey Johnny, please read

That's it, I'm going to have sit down with Rev. Taggard this Sunday and pray for you both to change your sinful ways.

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Poster: mcglone Date: Nov 17, 2006 11:54am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: History of the World - Hey Johnny, please read

i'm now lost... i thought you were addressing me?

oh well. enjoy your vacation!

ian

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Poster: high flow Date: Nov 17, 2006 11:56am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: History of the World - Hey Johnny, please read

I think I was addressing both of you. Sorry to confuse. You guys both replied and I felt mis-understood. Just wanted to clarify....

Thanks for the kind wishes. I plan to have a superb vacation...

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